Dec 9, 2005

Observations of Court Decision Against Nazis, Antifa

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Left: NSM's Bill White on the witness stand in Common Pleas Court

(Toledo, OH) National Socialist Movement (NSM) spokesperson Bill White arrived in Toledo today to appear before Common Pleas judge Thomas Osowik as a defendant in the city's successful request for a temporary restraining order and injunction against the NSM and counter-protesters.

Also in the audience, but not participating in the proceedings, were a dozen members of various anti-fascist organizations that I have met, or who I recognized from previous functions.

Violators of the order, which restricts pro- and anti-Nazi demonstrations at tomorrow's rally to the area in and around One Government Center, face arrest on contempt of court charges and fines of up to $25,000 per hour.

White represented himself in the proceedings, and acted in an unofficial capacity on behalf of the NSM. While unfamiliar with many court procedures, and visibly nervous, he handled himself surprisingly well.

There were some moments in White's testimony where his credibility wavered. One of the most egregious of these occurred when White denied writing articles posted on his website Overthrow.com, which the city submitted as evidence.

"Did you write the article entitled: 'NSM To March To March Against Nigger Gang Crime In Toledo?'" asked Adam Loukx, senior city attorney.

"We have over 1300 writers who contribute to Overthrow," he said. "I only know their screen names."

What White left out of this statement is that the "1300 writers" would be posters on the Overthrow forums. Bill is the editor and writer of the main posts, unless he is posting an article. He is always quick to provide attribution.

There were a number of interesting revelations in the court testimony. White placed some distance between himself and NSM operative Mark Martin.

"Mark Martin is a good comrade, but he is no longer in a position to communicate in an official capacity for the NSM," said White. "He has something of a temper."

Statements by Martin seemed to be an important part of the city's case. Police chief Mike Navarre said that Martin has repeatedly threatened to lead NSM in marches through Toledo.

“Martin indicated to me that if things weren’t done the way that he wanted, he would march down the streets,” he said. “He wanted us to separate the different groups of counter – protesters into separate zones. If the counter-protesters were not separated, then the NSM would march through the neighborhoods.”

Navarre also indicated that Martin threatened to have the NSM come back unannounced, and they "had boots and knew how to march and defend themselves."

Mike Navarre noted that there is a high likelihood of organized gang activty tomorrow, and that federal intelligence indicated that abandoned homes may be set afire to protest the city allowing the NSM to return.

After the court proceedings, a knowledgeable source called me with a cryptic comment about December 10.

"Toledo will burn and people will shop," he said, declining to be more specific.

Developing story...

Addendum, 8:00 PM: Bill White went on the NSM mouthpiece Von Bluvens show and made some bizarre statements about his visit to Osowik's courtroom. He said that Toledo officials "were in tears," and that he "destroyed" the city's attorneys. He called the Toledo Police "treacherous," and said that Mike Navarre was "lying to save his job."

White claimed to Von Bluvens that the NSM made themselves look good to the media, and he estimated that there were 40 media members in the room.

Uh, Bill? There weren't even 40 total people in the room. The media actually numbered about a dozen: a few TV crews, one Blade photographer, a couple of writers, and me. Add to that a dozen police, a dozen antifa, Ron Riehl, an unidentified skinhead, and the court personnel.

And the buzz among the media was not very kind to you, Bill, especially the African American media members who you offended with your tirades.

I suppose I should not be surprised by White's spin, but it is surreal to see the live court action, sitting six feet from White, and to hear him get on the podcast and lie his ass off.

I have to weigh in further. Bill White is not a lawyer, and he is very bright, but he spent all of his time trying to argue First Amendment case law. He completely missed the point of the city's argument, which was that the city's responsibility to maintain order justifies restrictions on free speech.

During questioning, White kept drifting into monologues until Osowik would cut him off. He spent much of his time repeating the same lies he has been regurgitating on Overthrow, like "Toledo Police officers were running away, throwing down their weapons, and screaming because they had not received proper training."

White did not embarass himself in the courtroom, but the idea that he "destroyed" the city's case is ludicrous. The scary part is that White sounded like he actually believed the lies he told Michael Blevins (aka Von Bluvens) on the podcast.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Toledo will burn and people will shop"

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?????

Mr. Schwartz said...

Looks like Bill White has totally taken over as Commander of the NSM. He has demoted Mark Martin and now even incorporated the NSM as a LLC in Virginia.

In the long run, Bill White will harm the nazis more than helping them. You'll see.

Nikki said...

I think the caller means that fires will be set and places will be looted - not for sure though.

You read my mind, Harry - I think the coup has occurred.

I had to laugh at the "1300 writers who contribute to Overthrow." Now, it wasn't too long ago that Bill admitted that Overthrow was pretty much a one man show. His lies are one thing - perjury is another thing.

Mr. Schwartz said...

Oh, remember that WYSO roundtable discussion Bill White was crying about on his website when they cut off his microphone? It's going to air this sunday at 11am on WYSO public radio.

It should be a must listen.

You will be able to listen live at www.wyso.org according to the station manager which I emailed.

Cheers,
harry Schwartz

historymike said...

I added to this post after listening to Bill White lie on the Von Bluvens show.

Any grudging respect I might have had for White dissipated. He is a pathological liar.

Nikki said...

Mike - you have witnessed what Bill White does habitually. He takes the spin beyond the nth degree. He lies - period. There is nothing sacred, and he really does believe what he says.

Billiant...maybe. Pathological - definitely.

willow said...

I'm not surprised at all Mike. Welcome to our world of dealing with the likes of Mr. Bill White. The amount of lies this man has told in his lifetime are uncountable for sure. Just wait Mike, he will be on a tirade about you shortly that you can be sure.

Matt Drudge, Jr. said...

So Mike, it is not true that outgoing Police Chief Navarroe admitted to ignoring information given by the NSM to the cops that could have prevented the Oct. 15th riots? And that Navarroe also admitted to having "no interest in pursuing those who committed criminal activities on October 15th and were only interested in supress the speech rights of those who did not commit crimes"?

Elmer Frazier said...

Schwartzo continues being the life of party by keeping the Ex-Lax flowing.

historymike said...

Navarre said he was unaware of any "intelligence" that NSM provided.

That is far different from the way White is trying to spin it.

The second statement is a baldfaced lie.

Navarre just told the facts as he knew them. White kept trying to trip Navarre up on minor details that he could not have known.

One such exchange occurred when White was trying to get Navarre to delineate exactly how many officers were on duty at an exact time. It was totally irrelevant, except for White to try to make a ridiculous case that "the crowd did not act up until police showed up."

How could Navarre be expected two months after the fact the exact start times of 680 sworn officers, or the 100+ deployed that morning?

The crowd got riled up when White, Martin, and the NSM members shouted racial epithets at them, not because TPD arrived.

White sat in that court and told all sorts of lies, like "The NSM arrived at 9:00 and secured the site without police protection." That is absurd; there were over two dozen police around before the antifa and NSM met up on Stickney.

One of my earliest pics is of 5 or 6 NSM "advance personnel" who were surrounded by Lucas County sheriffs in riot gear. The idea that NSM "fought off" local gangs at 9:00 AM is utter idiocy.

willow said...

I am so tempted to go to the next hearing, if there is one. Please keep us posted Mike! Sounds like Bill just might have bitten off more than he could chew on this one. So much for them being rational when they have to remove the state leader of Ohio for his "temper".

Nikki said...

Mike and others living in the area...my prayers and my thoughts will be with you. Stay safe...and warm.

(((Hugs)))

Anonymous said...

Just for the record, White did have other writers contributing to Overthrow.com a few years back.

One of them, believe it or not, is an Orthodox Jew who is now an occasional contributor to Antiwar.com. I'm not going to embarrass him by giving out his name but activists in the DC area know who I'm talking about.

He's actually a damn fine writer and I'm sure he regrets his former association with Mr. White.

ajax saith said...

once again faithful historymike provides for us a day to day diary of activities for mr. white

i wonder maybe a 'nazi reality show' might be your lucrative big break mr. brooks, surely tv land hungers for the dicey tension and drama of following nazinut clowns and their cartoon antics of staging little rally skits while they face their tsunami persecution rally after rally (but of course the hollywood editors deftly edit out the rampaging city rioting these nazi opponents unleash in their zeal)

in my dreams i fantasize that historymike is watching the superbowl and just before the kickoff the camera pans the crowd and suddenly a collective standing sieg heil salute greets mike's disbelieving eyes from one end of the superbowl stadium to the other

Anonymous said...

Dream on, ajax.

historymike said...

And, after re-reading your post, I am not looking for a "big break;" I have already had my share of those. I have previously stated that I have no interest in becoming a full-time "nazi hunter."

I have better things to do then trail a bunch of racist buffoons around the country.

I write about the movement as it relates to the city in which I live and work.

Name withheld to protect the guilty said...

Right on, Mike. We are all worried about our city...even if it's only mine for the next four years...and this is kind of a big event after what happened last time. My girlfriend says that when NSM marched in Pittsburgh, a bunch of counter-protesters showed up and stood silently with their backs to the marchers. I believe the Nazis haven't been back there since.

ajax saith said...

to historymike:

admit it mikey you are endlessly fascinated with nazi history, you have visions of little nazi elves marching behind santa clauswitz, sugarplum nazifaries dance in your head, heil heil heil (ho ho ho) says santa clauswitz as he comes to visit mikey brooks xmas (x in place of swastika symbol) nacht bringing with him his nazigood cheer to every whiteman and whitewoman,..... sieg heil

Hooda Thunkit said...

Mike,

Quite an “interesting” bunch of responders on this one;-)

”Navarre also indicated that Martin threatened to have the NSM come back unannounced, and they "had boots and knew how to march and defend themselves."

That was a foolish thing for Martin to say… DUH!


”After the court proceedings, a knowledgeable source called me with a cryptic comment about December 10.

"Toledo will burn and people will shop," he said, declining to be more specific.”


Anonymous, as in NSM or their “friends…?”


”He said that Toledo officials "were in tears," and that he "destroyed" the city's attorneys. He called the Toledo Police "treacherous," and said that Mike Navarre was "lying to save his job."

This one brought me to tears, from laughing so hard ;-)



”White claimed to Von Bluvens that the NSM made themselves look good to the media, and he estimated that there were 40 media members in the room.

Uh, Bill? There weren't even 40 total people in the room. The media actually numbered about a dozen: a few TV crews, one Blade photographer, a couple of writers, and me.”


Don’t be too hard on the boy Mike, “geniuses” are often bad at math. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…


”I suppose I should not be surprised by White's spin, but it is surreal to see the live court action, sitting six feet from White, and to hear him get on the podcast and lie his ass off.”

Lies are in the eye of the beholder. To Bill, he spoke the truth (from his distorted point of view).


”He completely missed the point of the city's argument, which was that the city's responsibility to maintain order justifies restrictions on free speech.”

But he has his rights… Remember, a legend in his own mind?


”He spent much of his time repeating the same lies he has been regurgitating on Overthrow, like "Toledo Police officers were running away, throwing down their weapons, and screaming because they had not received proper training."

Hooey! That thar nazi feller sure can spin a yarn!


”The scary part is that White sounded like he actually believed the lies he told Michael Blevins (aka Von Bluvens) on the podcast.”

HE BELIEVES IT. That is how his “genius” mind recalled the events.

It’s PATHOLOGICAL with him…