Mar 19, 2006

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Estimated number of US military killed by military intervention in Iraq - 2318

Estimated number of civilians killed by military intervention in Iraq - 33,679

Estimated number of US military wounded by military intervention in Iraq - 16,653

Estimated number of Coalition contractors killed by military intervention in Iraq - 311

5 comments:

Stefan Schmidt said...

Personally, I believe that things will only improve in Iraq once we withdraw. I believe our presence is destabilizing for Iraq.

Stefan Schmidt said...

Let me clarify:

In the immediate short-run a pull out will lead to more sectarian violence. However, that is in the short run.

In the long run disputes will be resolved and Iraq will be either carved up or another dictator will fill the void. Either way our presence is not solving anything just delaying the inevitable.

Dariush said...

For the record, there has never been a "Sunni-Shiite" civil war in Iraq. Never. Not in a thousand years.

In fact, the majority of the population of Samarra, including the guardians of the al-Askariyya Mosque, have always been Sunni.

Iraq is a tribal society, but tribal ties are not based on religious sectarianism. Mixed Sunni-Shiite families are much, much more common than most Western pundits seem to be willing to acknowledge -- noble exceptions like Robert Fisk noted.

So why is this happening now is the question.

That, and who does it benefit?

Stefan Schmidt said...

For the record, there has never been a "Sunni-Shiite" civil war in Iraq. Never. Not in a thousand years.----Dariush

True, but let’s examine Iraq’s history:

The Iraqi province was ruled by the Umayyads who were stationed in Demascus---this lasted for five centuries. (600’s to 1258).

The Mongols (present day Turks) took over Baghdad in 1228 and ruled until WW1.

From WW1 to 1932 Great Britain held (as a mandate) Iraq.

The Ba’ath party ruled Iraq from 1968 to 2003.

The USA and its puppet regime have ruled Iraq from 2003 and onward.

So why is this happening now is the question.

That, and who does it benefit?
---Dariush

After the USA created a power void in Iraq various groups have tried to fill this void----usually this leads in-fighting if you will as these groups try to amplify differences. This situation is not unlike what happened in Yugoslavia after Tito died (1980) thus creating a power vacuum.

I remember when Charles Krauthammer stated that a civil war might be the solution to the insurgency----undoubtedly, a civil war might benefit Israel but it would not benefit the current administration in our country (Bush’s explanation and defense of our involvement was to oust a brutal dictator and spread freedom---however, if a civil war arises….).

historymike said...

I agree, Stefan, that Iraq will likely be carved up three ways once the US leaves.

I might agree that another strongman could arise, were it not for the fact tht we destroyed the systemic structures a strongman would need to survive.